Lutz Möller
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Lutz Möller GmbH!
In April I hunted three buffalo in the Zambezi Valley with Swainsons Safaris operating the Dande North concession in the Zambezi Valley. That all three were killed with one shot each from my custom-built 9,3x62 could perhaps kill the old myth that this fine calibre is not suitable for such large and tough animals. Buffalo number one was a big cow (horns 39½") shot in the ehest from about 80 paces with a 286 gr Woodleigh solid, loaded to 2250 fps. At the shot the cow took off, but only managed about 50 paces before going down. My second buffalo was a very big bull (see photo) also shot from about 80 paces but this time with a 286gr Barnes-X loaded to 2220 fps. The bull was standing side an and I shot him an the right shoulder. He also ran off after giving the customary lurch and we found him about 30 to 40 paces away, stone dead. The bullet penetrated the shoulder, continued in a straight line through the chest cavity, over the top of the heart and was recovered under the skin of the far ribcage.
My last buffalo was a big dagga boy, which I shot whilst he was crossing a dry river bed. As he was going away from me at a slight angle, I placed the 286 gr Woodleigh solid about six-inches to the left of the tail root in the rump. He ran in a semi-circle towards us and went down in thick bush. This solid penetrated almost the fall length of the buffalo, going through his lungs and over the top of the heart as well. We recovered the bullet in the front of the chest cavity.
My hunt proved that the old 9,3x62, loaded with appropriate bullets, is still strong medicine for one of Africa's most sought-after trophies. PH Squirrel Meredith said to me that if I ever sold this rifle, he would not hunt with me again. Long live the 9,3x62!
Nigel Woodroffe
Hi Lutz,
I thought I would let you know initial results using your bullets in my
9.3 x 62. With 64 grains of Reloader 19, I get 2950 fps
and no pressure signs. The powder charge comes up the case neck half way, so I
don't think I could fit much more in the case. Accuracy was 3 shots at 100
yards into a 3/8" by 1/2" (inch) group, measured center to center, 2 of the
shots touching. This is just amazing accuracy, since my rifle cannot be
considered match grade in any sense, and the scope was a 1.5-6 x only.
The alloy has me curious. Although it looks like copper, the specific gravity is
too low for pure copper, so I am wondering if it is an aluminium and copper
alloy. Don't tell me any trade secrets, but if you can give me any info about
the alloy which is not confidential, that may help to satisfy my curiosity.
Thanks again! I will let you know the results that I get on game.
Dan McCarthy, Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2005 18:04
Dear Dan,
thank You for Your Mail.
I am glad, You get along well with the KJG an achieve You Goals. Please keep me updated with Results on Game. Pictures and Stories are always welcome
Quite a few were astonished to get such good Results with the 9,3 mm. I assume the Cause not just in the Bullet well made Precision itself, but also to the Fact, they are lighter than most other 9,3 mm Bullets and therefore shoot more comfortable thereby helping the Shooter, to keep the Rifle on Target. I just returned from Afrika 2005 and have a few more EMails to read and answer.
The KJG - Alloy is 99% Copper and just 1% different, to allow for better machining. So the Density should almost be that of Copper. If I misinformed the Audience somewhere, I should quickly correct the Type error.
Sincerely Lutz, 16th July 2005,
Dear sir,
Do you speak English ?
I'm a French big game hunter and since 15 years I reload my ammo with
Barnes, Gpa, Nosler bullets. I found your web site
and I'm very interested by the 9,3 mm bullet.
I have some questions
What's the weight of the 9,3 mm bullet?
LM: 12 g
Could you give me reloading tables with Finn powders (vihtavuory)
LM: First that depends on the Cartridge, they are all here at
9,3 mm KJG Loads
Second for a Hunter I would not advise to use Vihtavuori as the Powders are
not energetic enough and flash too much. I would in general prefer Bofors
Powders (Norma, Rottweil, Reloader)
What's the price of the bullet ?
LM: You shall receive an Email
thanks
Best regards, Patrice COTTES, Mittwoch, 5. Juli 2006 20:49
Dear Mr. Cottes,
if You looked at 9,3 mm KJG Loads and Afrikaner (in German) You would know the 9,5 mm Copper hunt bullets will give You much flatter Trajectories, than all other 9,6 mm Bullets, especially compared to the Ball GPA, as that Design lacks an aerodynamic Consideration at all. Therefore the Trajectory is curved like Banana. Compared to the Nosler, I assume Partition, the KJG Advantages in Trajectory are smaller, but in Penetration it clearly outperforms the Nosler.
9,3 mm Bullet with Splinters at low Speeds
Now i do not know, which Big Game You hunt. Pleas note the effective Copper hunt bullet mechanism to wound is to splinter the Hollow point away.
cylindric Rest bolt
cylindric Rest bolt
The Remains are a cylindric rest bolt, that shoulder stabilized penetrates in a straight Line.
Warthog
Warthog entrance wound
9,3 mm Copper Hunt bullet diagonally penetrated the Warthog
around 70 cm including Bones.
We opened the Skin with a Knife to show the Bullet location
The Bullet enlarged
Three bullet views. The Shot was from behind.
9,3 mm Copper hunt bullet with ~ 1.000 m/s shot in Water
Even when the 9,3 mm Copper hunt bullet enters the Animals in a very shallow Angle, the Bullet will still penetrate in straight line. In the above three small Pictures, the left Picture shows Bullet deformation from the small Angle as a slight Deformation. That is all.
The Splinters alone penetrate some 5 -6 cm Meat, not more. Therefore the 9,3 mm Copper hunt bullet predominantly should be used on Animals with Skin way below that limit, or the bullet will loss much of its destructive Effect. If You would like to go for Thick skinned Animals, such as Elephant, Rhinoceros, Hippopotamus or alike, then a Deformator would be a better choice.
So please tell me Your exact Application (hunted Animal, Cartridge) and i will be able to translate the into the right Bullet; either ex Stock or newly custom order made.
I look for ward to hear from You, Lutz Moeller, 5th July 2006,
Dear Mr. MÖLLER
Thanks for your fast answer. Concerning the powders, here in FRANCE BOFORS
powders are not available (unfortunately), therefore I use either French or Finn
powders with a preference for Finn, because all are listed in the ballistics
program I use, the huge Quickload. Concerning that program, I couldn't find
your bullet in the database, (Quickload was not
updated since last year). In next days I'll place an order to
Johannsen-jagd in GERMANY to
update it. It would be interesting if that the bullet was present in that
database for developing my loads.
Do you have reports from people who already used Finn powders in 9,3x62 ? If yes, could I get the reload tables.
I found on your web site a link with the quick load Icon and did not understand on the 9.3 mm line & others the numbers signification.
Now let's talk about the big GAME I hunt in FRANCE. We
hunt in dense woods wild boars and deers at short distances most of the time
below 50 meters, I use a TIKKA rifle chambered for the
9,3x62 mm with a 47 cm short barrel
and the obtained velocities are low with the heaviest bullets. This is the
reason why I want to use light bullets to increase velocity and your 9.3
mm 12 g bullets meets my expectations.
I'm looking forward to hear from you soon.
Best regards, Patrice COTTES, Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:19
Dear Mr. Cottes,
considering Powder agility and 47 cm short Barrel I would consider Your french SNPE TU 2000 a good Candidate for the 9,3x62. Loads should be about 4 g, starting probably at 3,8 g an stepping up in 0,05 g stepping up the Ladder until the Primer pops and then retreat to a Load, where the Primer stays in the Pocket and is not surrounded by a black ring or the Case bottom coins heavily.
Rising Pressure from left to right. The coined Extractor space and the blackened Primer with a Crater tell You to reduce the Load a little bit.
Years ago I had good Experience with 8,75 g light Bullets in my .30"-06 with Vectan TU 3000 (on version slower). The Order is about right and I think Vectan powders are better then Vihtavuori. with such a 4 g TU 2000 Load out of Your 47 cm Barrel You will probably end up around 860 m/s, fast enough for the short Distance and fast enough for the Bullet to destroy and penetrate as advised. With about 80 cm Penetration in Meat You can hit the Animals from any Angle. The KJG will only open up in Meat, Water, Blood or such liquid and so shooting in the Bush, where some small Disturbances like Leaves, Branches or little Trees are shortly before the Animal, is eased, as You must not fear the Bullet would prematurely blast into Pieces. You just shoot through.
If You insist I will send You a Vihtavuory load.
Sincerely, Lutz Möller
Dear Lutz.
Thank you very much for your kind answer and your trouble getting me the cartridges. I'f i'm not eaten by a bear ( or a moose) in Sweden in the fall, I'l report the hopefully result to you. By the way, I'm also shooting a danish Schultz&Larsen 8x68S rifle, and have used it with luck for bigger game in some years, but now I'm looking forward to test the 9,3x62 Mannlicher-Schönauer - i'm a sucker for these old rifles from the "good old days", so just one more question please?
What's in your opinion is the biggest difference between the 8x68 and the 9,3, und welches will you prefer for schwartzwild ? Sorry my mixt lanquage.
Yours, Erik, Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 20:39
Dear Erik,
You may compare 9,3x62 KJG Load and 8x68S KJG Load or simply look at these two Photographs from 8x68S für weite Schüsse :
Wild boar with 8x68S in 305 m
Wild boar with 8x68S in 367 m
then You will notice You will never to that with Your 9,3x62. The Main Difference is the Trajectory. Else use what You like.
Sincerely, Lutz,
Thank you, Lutz.
One can never learn to much about the best way to make a killing shot, and therefore my question. I know the 8x68 advantage if you talk about long shots, but as a former long time Schveisshunde-führer, I'v seen to many Anschüsse from people who thought, they were able to shoot a stag or a red dear at 200 m ore longer. I'm 58 years old, and have hunted with a rifle since I was 16, and as respect for the game and a safe shot, I'l never been shooting to any animal at a distance over 150 m. I know, that at this distance, it dosen't matter if you use the 8x68 or the 9,3x62 as long you use the right bullet. Therefore I contacted you in the first place about the Lutz Möller KJG - in respect for the wildlife.
Regards and thanks again. Erik, Mittwoch, 12. Juli 2006 22:15
Dear Erik,
the Man who placed above Shots has been professionaly trained on this kind of long shots and practices a lot. He shoots the biggest Bangers just as others shoot the 6 mm in Benchrest Competition. See here:
Four Times 8,5 mm KJG .338" LM in 100 m
To respect the Game, limits, what we may do when hunting. Folks like Hein Mück help to determine the Limits. That's why we do that Stuff. He's a Dog man too!
Yours Lutz, 12th July 2006
Thank you Lutz. I fully agree.
Only very few can do the best. The art for us others, is to learn our limits. Both in shooting and in everything else, and try hard to be as good at it, as we possible can. Neither we nor marksmen will ever be fully satisfied, but we know, that we have done our best. And what hunting concerns, that's the only reason we can call ourselves hunters.
Yours, Erik
Hello,
I hope you can help please. I shoot a double rifle in the old
British 360 X 2.25 in nitro. I am looking for a lighter bullet to try and your
12 gm 9.3mm seems perfect. Is it possible to buy some ? I live in the UK
Nick Preston, Samstag, 2. September 2006 12:30
Hallo Nick,
Your .360" 2¼ Nitro has 8,9 mm Land Ø and 9,3 mm Grove Ø and 508 mm Twist length, opposed to the later 9,3 mm Catridges, with 9,00 mm Lands (+,1 mm) and 9,28 mm Grove and 360 m Twist length. The existing 9,3 mm KJG-Shaft is too thick and too hard for Your old Nitro. To fire it would Yield too high Pressure. Be my Guest to try it. I would send You some plus a Load recommendation, but also the Twist angle is quite shallow, Stability will be about 0,8 and the Bullets may not fly stable. To try with a safe Load accommodating for the highly increased Engraving forces would gain Knowledge about the marginal Stability, but no usable Load could result.
You are in for a Custom Bullet, tailored for the specified Diameters and Twist. Minimum Order is 300 pcs prepaid. Full data (Load, Flight, Terminal Ballistics) will be supplied.
Sincerely, Lutz Möller
Thanks for prompt and interesting reply.
Are you saying you could make a batch of custom bullets ?
LM: Yes!
Or the minimum order of 9.3mm is 300 ?
LM: No!
I know the 9.3 would be a little large, I was hoping that pushing through my
.365 sizer die would reduce them. I have done this with a few 200 gn 375 bullets
successfully.
Nick, Sonntag, 3. September 2006 01:03
Nick,
You might resize soft jacketed Leaf Bullets but no Drive band Copperbullets. Those mus be made to suit Land and Bore.
Lutz,
8 mm + 9,3 mm hdp-Recoil brake with KJG
8 mm + 9,3 mm hdp-Recoil brake with KJG
8 mm + 9,3 mm hdp-Recoil brake with
KJG
9,3 mm hdp Recoil Brake | 9,3x62 KJG Loads | Wild Boar (Tin type species)
Hello Lutz
My name is Stephen and I am in Sydney Australia, I recently bought a Ernst
Steigleder M98 in 9.3 x 62 26 inch barrel.
I hope you speak english because I would love to purchase some of your ammuntion
for hunting (Boar, Deer, camel, horse, donkey, Buffalo)
Is it possible for me to purchase some ammunition from you.
Thanks Steve,
Sonntag, 29. April 2007 13:07
Hallo Steve,
English is all right. Do You load Your Ammunition by Yourself and want just
Bullets, or would You prefer loaded Cartridges?
Lutz,
Hello Lutz!
I trust you are OK.
I have some disappointing news. I have decided not to go ahead with the
9,3 mm WSM project. I am getting a lot of
negative feedback with the professional hunters I want to engage with in Africa
next year. They are all saying it is mad to go with a wildcat. In heart I would
like to try but I know it anything go wrong the trip will be spoilt. As a result
I am reverting back to a 9.3 x 62.
I cannot read German.
Thanks, Benjamin, London UK, Mittwoch, 21. November 2007 21:52
